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Who owns the conversation? #10minsGPguide

Last night I noticed a tweet from @StuartBerry1. It had been retweeted by @amcunningham – if you are in any way interested in health or medicine, and you’re not already following Anne Marie on twitter then stop now and go follow her (if you’re not already on twitter then you’re really missing out).

Anyhow, Stuart was collating ideas for hints and tips of how to get the most out of a 10 minute GP consult. It’s years since I’ve seen a GP but I have attended numerous doctor or hospital appointments with my parents since my Dad was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct cancer) five years ago. This blog is full of my version/experience of my Dad’s illness, it’s not his experience or views, just mine so it’s already once removed, and it is obviously heavily influenced by who I am, my world view and my experience. That said, I contributed a few ideas to the GP conversation and there has been a healthy amount of discussion about one of my ideas since.

I shared that on two occasions I’ve used my phone to record conversations with Dad’s medics. I thought twice about whether to share that information, and felt it was a little risky to do so, because I knew some people wouldn’t necessarily agree with my course of action, or approve of it. If I’m honest I’m not exactly confident of my own actions because on one occasion I didn’t seek permission to record it.

The first occasion was in A&E (a couple years ago now) and I asked the doctor if they minded me recording what they were saying so I could have it as a record and to share with family members. They had no problem whatsoever, seemed almost indifferent. I just recorded what they told us, listened to it a couple times after and I no longer have it as I’ve changed my phone since then.

More recently I recorded one of my Dad’s oncology consults. On this occasion I didn’t ask permission, the appointment was already 90 minutes late, I didn’t think of it, and it was only once the consultant started explaining something complex and I could see my Mum struggling to take notes, that I thought I’d just record it on my phone again. I can’t tell you how many times my Mum, Dad and I have all sat through the same conversation, with the same person, at the same time and yet come away with different understandings or memories of what was said.

Certainly my experience of Dad’s current situation is that it is extremely complex, and extremely complicated. It doesn’t really fit with my mental stereotyped image of clinical science. In fact i’d go as far as to say it doesn’t feel like science, and thats no bad thing, its much more human than that. My Dad has (with a few minor exceptions) received outstanding care over the past five years, he has defied all odds, and its not much short of a miracle that he is still here. None of that would have been possible without the phenomenal skill, compassion and knowledge of the many medical professionals he has come into contact with. At this stage though, as Dad is receiving palliative treatment (blood transfusions to counteract bleeding tumour, chemo, scores of drugs) it seems that it is more art than science. Everyone who comes into contact with Dad seems to have a different interpretation of what the best course of action is, or they don’t know – sometimes that honesty is refreshing, sometimes it’s just plain scary.

What I have learnt over the past five years is that there is probably no such thing as a textbook case, certainly if there is my Dad isn’t it. Consequently so much of Dad’s care is very personalised and tailored, things change quickly, we’re aware he is in a very precarious situation. I consider the best thing I can do is support him and Mum, and my siblings who live away, so we are all as aware as possible (or as aware as we want to be) about what the current status quo is, for as long as that lasts. To that end I don’t regret recording his consultation, even though I feel a residual guilt that I didn’t ask for explicit permission (it upsets the ethical researcher that runs through my core), it felt like the best course of action at that time.

I’ve listened to the recording twice since, with my Mum. No-one else has heard it, it’s something that is quite precious to me. On the one hand it serves as a factual record for when we start doubting ourselves and on another it is a recording of my Dad discussing critically important decisions with the man who has in my opinion (along with his surgeon/previous consultant) done the most to sustain his life. I can’t imagine anyone outside my own family ever hearing that recording, unless I figure out how to save it elsewhere I could lose it at any time, but I like the idea at the moment that one day my 2yr old niece may be interested in knowing more about her Grandad and she could hear for herself how brave he was, how he faced what I would have considered impossible conversations a few years ago, head on. It’s evidence of his spirit, and my fantastically brave and spirited Mum’s attempts to do the absolute best for him.

I appreciate the ethics are dubious, but I’m glad I did record it. I also think there could be a really useful application of this simple technology in everyday consultations. Lots of patients have smart phones that enable recording nowadays, I’d like to think that there is a GP out there who would embrace the idea – how about actively encouraging recording, even if it wasn’t a verbatim record that people wanted, I think most doctors surgeries could help people to get more out of their allocated slot if they encouraged people to think of the questions they wanted to ask before seeing the doctor.

Some of the obvious concerns are around litigation, but really, really in our enlightened world of empowered patients is this an acceptable argument? OK, so I’m playing devils advocate but really look at how much information is collected from the patient by the doctor in an average consultation. No patient I know of has ever been asked if they mind if the doctor takes notes. How about taking a leap of faith and embracing the opportunity of supporting patients and their families. Who wouldn’t want to?

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  1. pollyrt
    May 21, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    There’s a trial going on in Scotland, in which patients are given a cd recording of the consultation at which they are given their diagnosis and treatment options: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17763649

    There was a segment about it on the radio the other day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hl29h#p00sq7mh. Makes interesting listening.

  2. amcunningham
    May 31, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Thanks for linking to this again today George. Have you figured out how to get the sound files off your phone? If not we should figure out together- too precious to lose:)

    • May 31, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      Nope, new phone since then too, so suspect they’re long gone…unless they’re on my itunes acct somewhere. Will do some digging, Libbie remembers him tho, which is amazingly brilliant. Phoebe wont, but the way we talk about him she’ll probably grow up thinking he was some sort of superhero anyhow ;)

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